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Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 4 months, 1 week ago #113414

I think the number of children you have to trot out in support of your legislative proposals is inversely related to how much sense it actually makes. If this shit was so common sense it wouldn't need a mega fuckton of "think of the children" and "if only one life is saved" to cram it through.

For crying out loud, the guy is going to gut the importation of WWII-era collectible firearms! What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Did I miss all the crime being committed with G43s and SVT-40s?!!!
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/u...ts.html?ref=politics
It's on page 12: "Eliminate restrictions that force the ATF to authorize importation of dangerous weapons simply because of their age"
This right here is a prime example of an extreme "fuck you" to gun owners: it isn't going to change a damn thing since the exact same guns could be manufactured stateside, but hey, fuck your hobby in collecting historic guns that weren't hurting anyone in the first place.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 4 months, 1 week ago #113419

Yes sir Waco, i've been following the NYS shit....bc i LIVE here....i tell you what, if this doesn't get appealed or rescinded, there will be a lot less people living here. Already talked to several who plan on moving, no joke. On the other hand, i've talked to plenty of people, both gun stores, citizens, and police officers, who say that once all this settles down, we'll be surprised at the lack of enforcement on things like: registering existing guns, altering, selling or trading in hi-cap mags, etc. Many (local) police simply won't do it. Now if Cuomo puts together a state police task force, that might be another story.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 3 months, 3 weeks ago #113479

I have never thought 911 was an inside job, or any of that other nutty tin foil stuff. But does it not seem like there has been over the top coverage of shootings in this country lately? (i'm not talking about Sandy Hook, obviously a mass shooting as terrible as that will get huge coverage), i'm talking about the other shootings we are hearing about every day now. Most of these shootings i'm talking about were in bad neighborhoods, one drug dealer vs another, which is basically the trash taking out the trash. We have over 300 million people in this country. Killings are going to happen. And although the chances are low that you will be targeted if you make an honest living and don't associate yourself with career criminals, your best bet is to get a weapon to defend yourself with if the time ever comes that you need it.

I really think the media is really taking advantage of every shooting that happens now in the country to get the people on their side of gun control/confiscation. I haven't been listening or watching because the anti-gun agenda in the media lately makes me sick to my stomach to even have it turned on so I haven't been influenced. But take my sister and brother in law in example.They have went shooting with me a few times and had a great time. I couldn't believe hearing her say it, but she did. She said I don't think guns like you have should be banned but we should do something about the high powered guns that the guy used in the school shooting. I asked her if she remembered the last time we went shooting and she said "yes" it was fun we should go again. And I said did you know that black rifle that you loved to shoot was a Bushmaster XM15.. The identical gun that was used in the school shooting, and the only difference was the serial number. And she was shocked.. She didn't know what to say. She thought it was some kind of ultra deadly weapon that was fully automatic.

All I know is this sucks, I like to shoot for fun about once a week or once every other week. You can't find crap in the stores right now. They can't even put ammo on the shelves before it gets sold. Can't find almost any populat caliber especially 9mm and .223. All my local walmart has in stock and I have been checking almost daily because I need to restock.. But all I have seen there lately is .17 hmr, .270 winchester, and 20 gauage slugs. Thinking about buying a rifle in .270 just so I can have something I can shoot lol. Sad but true.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 3 months, 3 weeks ago #113482

Yeah the media is generally pretty piss-poor when it comes to gun reporting,but i can't recalled a press this hardcore in a while. It's almost like they were waiting for something so beyond the pale that they could go high wild with the pressure. Which I wouldn't mind so much if they knew what the fuck they are talking about. Hell, I'd settle for just toning down the meaningless scare phrases like "military style" firearms or the outright lying that goes on.

Like that Sandy Hook dad who got "heckled." If you watch the video the guy literally asked a rhetorical question to people who, out of respect and decorum, didn't answer. Then he turns around and uses that silence as a debate point! Only then do people speak up, and the dad was even admonished by the moderator. However you wouldn't know that from the blurb that gets passed around.

Oh yeah and fuck panic buying. Most of the time it is just speculators anyway. This is why I have to buy in massive bulk whenever prices are reasonable and I have a closet packed with ammo.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 3 months, 3 weeks ago #113484

dirtylittleholly wrote:
Penn Jillette puts these dumbass women in their place regarding gun control and putting the blame on things other than the offender on Wendy Williams (this man makes a lot of sense)


Great video, thanks for sharing that!
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Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 2 months, 2 weeks ago #113669

So Rover and company talked about a recent gun control study put out by JAMA Internal Medicine journal, in which they found an "association" between strict gun control laws and fewer gun deaths. Rover expressed some dibelief, but it was largely unchallenged. I sent some tweets in, but they got sidetracked with the drone talk.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain why this study was pretty much rigged from the start. Since I can't find the actual text of the study (if you have access, by all means share), I'm going to use this article:
www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-nat...ities-195562831.html

There are two major problems I have with this article. One, they rely on the Brady Campaign to determine the relative gun law strength. The problem with this is the Brady Campaign thinks most of the country has weak gun laws:
www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/

They give Illinois (where Chicago is located) only a 35/100 score (with 100 being the strongest). This is because while Chicago has extremely draconian gun laws, Illinois as a state doesn't (at least not yet) have the kind of extreme gun control laws that the Bradies are currently pushing for, like an assault weapon ban or magazine capacity limits. Therefore the study is able to lump in cities with strong gun control laws but failing to curb gun violence (like Chicago) into the "weak" gun control camp.


Two, like many of these studies, they focus on "gun deaths" rather than "homicides." Why? Probably because most gun deaths in this country are suicides. From the article:

Compared to states with the fewest laws, in states with the most there were 6.25 per 100,000 fewer firearm deaths from suicide and 0.40 per 100,000 fewer firearm deaths from homicide.


Obviously the driver of this study's "conclusion" relies heavily on the difference in the gun suicide rate. While a tragedy, I don't think gun suicides and gun homicides are really comparable; frankly, if someone truly wants to commit suicide I don't feel I have the right to stop them and if they are serious and don't have a gun, they'll still commit suicide. Furthermore, I suspect the states with heavy gun control (like California and New York) are more likely to have better mental health and suicide prevention infrastructure.
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Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 2 months, 2 weeks ago #113673

As a New Yorker, i would agree with your assessment 100% Waco. Now lets see if we can get a conversation started ABOUT the drone talk. Rover's "that's ridiculous" attitude this morning was pissing me off. I didn't hear the whole conversation though.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 2 months, 2 weeks ago #113677

mordsith24 wrote:
Now lets see if we can get a conversation started ABOUT the drone talk. Rover's "that's ridiculous" attitude this morning was pissing me off. I didn't hear the whole conversation though.

Eh, I'm definitely not one to swing off Obama's nuts and I certainly dislike Holder, but I think it is a bit ado over nothing. Holder was basically forced to admit that in extreme circumstances the drone program could be used to do some really dirty shit. Honestly I kind of blame Congress for passing the buck and giving the President this kind of discretion and secrecy around the program in the first place.

What I find disgusting about this is the hypocrisy of it all; so much of the debate around this strikes me as "this is OK if it is my guy pushing the button, otherwise it's an idea from the meanest Hitler/Stalin lovechild." I do like that someone is at least talking about drones at this point, especially when this President promised to be so transparent and then turns out to be...not.

I'll be the first to admit though I kind of glaze over most of the drone stuff.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 2 months, 2 weeks ago #113678

Ya the lack of transparency is truly astounding, i mean..."I" believed him when he said it!! *sarcasm*

And i should have been more clear, i meant the use of drones overall...i'm not concerned that we'll starts seeing drone strikes on people here in the US, the government HAS to be smart enough not to try something that blatantly stupid. Then again, i've been proven wrong before.

I meant drones as to include our horrific use of them in the Arabic countries where our idea that "well we are killing terrorists with them" is something to hide behind when confronted with the fact that we are killing, injuring and crippling hundreds of civilians in the process.

It's sick that there is now an achievement medal that goes to drone pilots that ranks higher than the Bronze star, or the flying cross...BOTH of which are typically earned by actually placing your life in danger.

Just my thoughts on the matter

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 2 months ago #113708

Looks like the Federal AWB was finally strangled in the crib. Good riddance, I can't believe Obama was foolish enough to think he could ram one through again, and now I'm sure some congressional Democrats will pay the price.

The real sad thing is that he could have changed the discussion around these shootings and done some real good, like focusing on the deplorable state of mental healthcare in this country. Fuck, you'd think something like that would appeal to him and his lip service towards increasing access to healthcare. Instead he engaged in the same tired culture war bullshit, he'll get kicked in the nuts for it just like Clinton did, and the same tired old people with the same tired old proposals will get a little more shrill and envious of the NRA. Hope and Change really is just a bitter joke at this point, isn't it?

Here's hoping some of the state-level madness like the NY SAFE act get gutted in the courts.

Re: After seeing the video of deiter and 30rd mags... 1 month, 2 weeks ago #113801

You ever wonder why gun types get so pissed about gun control advocates? This should be Exhibit A- gun control advocates consistently don't know what they are talking about, but love to declare themselves the crusaders for common sense:
m.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politi...p-magazines-stumble/
Rep. Diana DeGette, Colorado Democrat and a co-sponsor of a bill to ban high-capacity magazines, appeared this week not to understand how they work.

Asked at a Denver Post forum how banning large-capacity magazines would help reduce gun violence, Ms. DeGette replied:

"I will tell you these are ammunition, they're bullets, so the people who have those now they're going to shoot them, and so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available," she said.

The Colorado Republican Party and National Rifle Association both took shots at the congresswoman's remarks, according to the Post, which also provided a statement Wednesday from DeGette spokeswoman Juliet Johnson, who said she simply misspoke.

"The congresswoman has been working on a high-capacity assault magazine ban for years, and has been deeply involved in the issue; she simply misspoke in referring to 'magazines' when she should have referred to 'clips,' which cannot be reused because they don't have a feeding mechanism," Ms. Johnson said. "Quite frankly, this is just another example of opponents of common-sense gun violence prevention trying to manipulate the facts to distract from the critical issue of keeping our children safe and keeping killing machines out of the hands of disturbed individuals. It's more political gamesmanship that stands in the way of responsible solutions."

According to a pool report, Ms. DeGette was one of the participants in a roundtable on gun violence in Colorado Wednesday with President Obama, Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr., other elected officials, law enforcement representatives, and parents of gun violence victims.
In case you are unfamiliar with how guns work (which I'm generally OK with, as long as you aren't also proposing gun control measures), magazines are basically a box that hold bullets and are usually expected to be re-used and re-filled with bullets (especially as they can be expensive). What is particularly galling is the spokesman who tries to backstep from the original ignorant comment still gets it wrong while claiming their camp has all this experience fighting the good fight. Clips are, technically speaking, simply metal strips that hold bullets together and used to reload magazines quickly. They are almost always 5 to 10 rounds, and there is nothing to stop them from being reused (although in practice they were often considered disposable). It's WWI technology that was being phased out by WWII; bringing them up now, especially to contrast them with magazines while pretending to be an expert, makes no sense.
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